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Philip Kubik
Commercial kayak storage is available at Rocky Point for $25/mo.
Former MemberNeeding a rental place to store my kayak near Port Moody. Anyone got space to rent ?
Bob MaherKaren,
You may want to phone Western Canoe and Kayak as they may be selling off some of their used Plastic kayaks.
Bob Maher
Former MemberHi there , any plastic rock garden kayaks on offer ? My name is Sarah Cummins. Cell 604 786 7191
Former MemberHi all,
I’m looking for (or suggestions of) a plastic boat for rivers/rock gardening/playing at Surge/etc. Preferably less than 16′, but enough storage for a few days overnight, and not too narrow.
Thanks!
Karen
Former MemberHi Mike ,
thanks for posting the quiz . It’s handy to revise and learn stuff , even if I get to it late ! Here are my answers :
1A) moon and sun , moon has greater pull. B) lunar day is 24 hours and 50 minutes which is the time moon takes to travel its orbit . High and low tide therefore 50 minutes later each day .
1C) Tidal Cycles . If the earth had no land masses so that water could move unobstructed , tidal bulges caused by the gravitational force of the moon and sun would move constantly westward, and every place on the planet would have 2 high and 2 low tides of equal size on each lunar day . Continents and land masses get in the way . Free vertical rise and fall of water is strongly influenced by distribution of land masses , topography of the shore lines and by ocean currents , and different tidal cycles exist in different parts pf the world , they are diurnal ,semi-diurnal and mixed semi diurnal .
Semi diurnal tidal cycles consist of 2 nearly equal high tides and low tides a lunar day. Most places on earth have this type of tidal cycle .
Diurnal = only one high and one low tide per lunar day , found in Gulf of Mexico . Victoria BC is positioned such that there is a lot of flooding and ebbing water happening simultaneously , so although it is mixed semi diurnal it looks like diurnal tidal cycles .
Mixed semi diurnal , 2 high and 2 low tides per lunar day , and of different sizes , “ diurnal inequality “ .1D)Mixed semi diurnal is found predominantly along West Coast .
1E)Tidal Wave describes the vertical movement of the oceans caused by the gravitational pull of the moon and sun .
Tsunami is a wave caused by a submarine earthquake or volcano . It can travel for vast distances and can build to huge heights over shallower water . It has a very long wave period , so when it hits the land the wave just keeps going and going and going ,2 Amphidromic point …a no tide point ( dynamic theory of tides ) water sloshes backwards and forwards between continents and cancels out to zero tide amplitude . Happens in several places in Pacific .
Apogee. Moon is afar away at its furthest point from the earth and has less gravitational pull.
Chart datum . Depths on a chart are shown from a low water level called chart datum . Selected so that water level will very seldom fall below it .
Drying height . Vertical distance of seabed exposed by tide and above the lowest tide .
Ebb. Horizontal movement of water caused by falling tide .
Fathom . Unit of depth .
Flood . Horizontal movement of water caused by rising tide .
Higher high water large tide . Average of highest high waters taken over 19 years .
Lowest normal tide . Average of all the lowest tides over 19 years .
Neap tide , happens when the sun is at a 90degree angle to the moon cancelling out some of moons gravitational force . Smaller tides during these phases .
Perigee . Moon is proximal to earth nearest to earth in its elipitical orbit ,exerting stronger gravitational force .
Spring tide . Sun and moon in alignment exerting strong magnetic force .3) Rule of 12’s
a) rough assessment of speed , heights and timing of tidal changes .
b) 6 time periods .
c)diurnal .
d) tidal volume divided into portions of 12 , working in base 12 old imperial measurements is easier to apply rather than decimal base a 10 .
e)1) when current is strongest and weakest , plan trip accordingly . 2) j of tide relative to launching and landing 3) how long to high and low tides . Timing , heights ,current pertaining to trips ,4) the lunch problem , I am not sure how to calculate this , so the questions I would ask is what time is it now ? How long to high tide ? What sort of tide neap or spring ?is the wind blowing onto the beach that might make the water higher than expected and where is the high tide seaweed mark . As it seems the group is pretty laid back wanting to stop and sunbathe for 2 hours ,I might opt to pulling the boats up above the high tide seaweed mark , and get away before it falls too low .Good watch with alarm to wake up snoozers and a weather eye to the water level aided by stick marker might help .!
5) tying boats up for the night …….don’t know the best answer for this although I have used my tow line before . Haven’t been able to get the middle boats out without untying everything though . Could you show me how to do this sometime ? Thanks Sarah .
Former Membersorry phone # 604-690-7207
Doreen
Former MemberYes it is still available, the cockpit fiberglass coaming measures 15.5 and 28 inches with seat installed. I am in N Van but would be happy to send you pictures.
Doreen
604-690-7206
George PrevostThings don’t look good for non-commercial users of the Broken Group Islands, at least in the short term. Parks Canada held a meeting with “commercial operators and sstakeholders” on January 15 to discuss plans for the possible re-opening of the islands for the upcoming summer season. Here’s a link to a copy of their notes from the meeting:
The Parks Canada notes give more details of what Mike Gilbert shared in his notes (see previous post). The impression I get is that the focus of the meeting was on how the various commercial entities could safely share the space while there are still public health concerns. There appears to be very little consideration of how private users might be accommodated other than suggestions that any private group meet a number of what look like fairly onerous requirements.
Former MemberHi Doreen – is this still available? Do you know the dimensions of the cockpit? I tried to get into one of those years ago and couldn’t jam myself in. Mostly wondering about the length of the opening. I live in White Rock – not sure if you are nearby to look at it?
Heather
778-908-2216
George PrevostAt our most recent executive meeting Mike Gilbert shared some notes from a Parks Canada meeting where options for summer re-opening were discussed. Some of the information is a bit alarming. Here are the notes:
Broken Island Group Parks Canada Meeting January 15th, 2021
Notes:
– Nine 1st Nations have claims within park
– nothing set in stone; all options still on the table
– Options include: Full Opening; Partial Opening; No Opening
– looking at high season only for this meeting; May 1st – Sept. 30th, 2021– Low Season (Oct 1 – April 30) to be looked at during a March meeting
– looking at how protocols & procedures should look
– what should the park’s Covid Safety Plan look like?
– how to communicate these as well as collaborate with interested parties
– concerns about 1st Nations interaction; keeping Beachkeepers safe & healthy
– commercial vs private use
– reservation system not opening until March 1st (if at all)
Private Groups (ie. Clubs)
There is talk about implementing the following although nothing has been done yet…1. There must be 1 person within the group with WFA Training and who must carry medical supplies
1. Level of certification to be established
2. There must be a Group Leader who must have some Guide experience
1. Level of certification to be established
2. One organization to be recognized or multiple? ie. SKGABC, Paddle Canada, etc.
3. Group must apply for a permit
4. A group Safety Plan must be filed
Reservations / Bookings – Concerns for Clubs
1. the booking system does not differentiate between commercial bookings and private bookings2. private groups must be ready with numbers at time reservation system opens if they want the best chance of getting dates and locations they desire.
3. At this time reserving is a free for all ie. Commercial users can reserve as much as they want; no pre-set percentage of bookings – especially by site – are set aside for private groups. Currently the park’s booking system cannot differentiate.
Ideas Parks & Attendees looked at:
1. Covid Safety Plans
2. Protocols and Procedures
3. Camping Ettiquete
4. Collaboration & communication
5. 1st Nation Interaction
6. Risk Management
7. Closure / Limited Access / Fully Open
8. Safety of Beach Keepers
Attendees:
Kevin Bradshaw Hello Nature Adventure Tours
Jan Kretz Adventuress Sea Kayaking
Janette Galan SKGABC
Silke Hockemeyer Wild Root Adventures Ericc Boros / Tracey Eeftink Majestic Kayaking
JF Marleau SKILS
Dave Towell A/Supt. PRNPR
Ryan Teremy Jamie’s Whaling Station
Tammy Dorward !st Nations Program Mgr. – PRNPR
Toddy Archipelago Cruises
Fred Pishazski BC Marine Trails / SISKA
Jack Rosen Coastal Current Adventures / SKGABC
Brandy Lee Lauder Councillor Hupacasath 1st Nation
Matt Kellow Co-ordinator, Outdoor Recreation, Vancouver Island University
Mike Gilbert Paddle Canada / SKGABC / BC Kayak Centre / Lower Mainland Sea Kayak Clubs
Former MemberFeathercraft K-Light Folding Kayak – SN 03022B898 29lbs and 12’10” when assembled. It has been gently used and is in great condition with no rips or scratches, the violet top is lightly faded. Owner must sell because of knee surgery. Complete with all pieces including user manual, repair kit and backpack. No paddle. Stores in small space and great for traveling.
Contact for pictures if interested.
Clark Perry-BaterI’ll be up all night figuring this one out!!
Mike GilbertMissed last week so the quiz goes from weekly to bi-weekly.
This quiz is all about tides. A few questions; Some definitions; a rule (or two); a couple of problems to solve. Have fun and enjoy.
1. Questions: See if you know what the following mean without looking them up – and then look them up!
a. What two bodies exert the greatest influence on the vertical movement of our oceans and seas?
b. Explain why tides move ahead (for the time they occur during our day) by 50 minutes every 24 hours?
c. How many different kinds of tides (cycles) may be found and explain what differentiates each?
d. Which is the most prevalent form of tidal cycle found on our west coast?
e. What is the difference between a Tsunami and a Tidal Wave?
2. Definitions: Can you define these off the top of your head?
Amphidromic Point; Apogee; Chart Datum (Canada); Drying Height; Ebb; Fathom; Flood; Higher High Water Large Tide (HHWLT); Lowest Normal Tide (LNT); Neap Tide; Perogee; Spring Tide
3. Rule of 12ths
– what is the “job” of the Rule of 12ths?
– how many equal time periods is the tidal cycle broken up into by the Rule of 12ths?
– what is the simple pattern a tide cycle models under the Rule of 12ths?
– why is it so much easier to work in feet vs centimetres for the Rule of 12ths?
– as kayakers, name 5 different practical uses for the Rule of 12ths (when would it be handy to know and use when paddling?)?
4. Problem #1: “Lunch time” – You and your group of friends land on a lovely, very wide sandy beach in order to stop for lunch. You plan on resting there for about 2 hours. You arrived at noon exactly and want to know how far to bring your kayaks up the beach so you do not have to be disturbed and move them again while enjoying the sun.
The beach has a level and continuous 7.13 degree slope to it rising up to the forest edge and some tent platforms.
The Low tide of 3 feet happened at 1000 hours so you missed scouring the lower tidal pools.
High tide is expected to reach its maximum of 9 feet at 1600 hrs. OMG! How high will the water get up the beach?
5. Problem #2: When paddling and camping overnight, what is a really good habit to get into doing with your kayak prior to going to bed? What method do you use? Can you remove a middle kayak from the group without untying the rest?
Mike GilbertLast Friday, January 15th, I participated in the meeting regarding Broken Island Group – open, closed or something in between. It was well represented by various outfitters, Parks Canada staff, SKGABC, Paddle Canada (me), BC Marine Trails, First Nations, organizations and individuals.
I will be doing a short presentation at the SKABC Executive Meeting on Thursday, January 21st to inform them of the discussions that took place and how it may influence or affect our members. From there the information will filter down to the club members themselves I expect.
Mike G.
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